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Interview
Mr. Peter Crippen | with two Interviewers [unnamed]
Transcribed from audio: January 29 2009 | Duration 0:22:41






Interviewer1:    This is an interview with Dr. Crippen,  April  2,  2008  at
           the CDC in Atlanta. I guess we will start where you'd just do an
           introduction. Who you are  and  how  you  became  involved  with
           Public Health and smallpox, and why you became involved with it?

Peter Crippen:   Okay. First of all, it's Mr. Crippen.

Interviewer1:          Mr. Crippen. Okay.

Peter Crippen:   And who I am is a Public Health Advisor, that's  for  those
           of us who are public health advisers, that  says  a  lot.  Right
           now, I'm still with CDC, I've been with them for  more  than  40
           years. I was in  the  Peace  Corps  in  Thailand  right  out  of
           college,  right  out  of  bachelor's  degree,  and  didn't  have
           anything to do with public health. I was a teacher, but when  it
           became time to come home, I needed a job and there were a lot of
           postings that came through for Peace Corps volunteers  who  were
           about to return. Most of them were teaching jobs  and  I  wasn't
           interested in a teaching job, and the only other one that seemed
           interesting was being what we used to call VD-a VD investigator.
           So that sounded interesting to me, and I applied for  it  and  I
           was interviewed and got the job. It was very easy at  that  time
           frankly. If you had  a  bachelor's  degree  in  almost  anything
           whatsoever, they would hire you and you could  walk,  you  know;
           you could get a job as, what became, Public Health Advisers.

           At that time, we were not public health advisers; we  were  what
           was then called, Cooperative Employees, which  meant  that  they
           could fire us at will for the first year  or  so.  But  after  a
           year, we became Public Health Advisers. I started out in Chicago
           and then went to Detroit; and when I was in Detroit  there  were
           opportunities to go to West  Africa  for  the  Smallpox  Program
           which interested me a great deal. From my Peace Corps experience
           I hadn't been to Africa, but I knew what it was like to work  in
           a third world country if you will, and it  sounded  fascinating.
           So I applied for that and I was selected and  went  to  Nigeria.
           What had just recently been Biafra, the war was over,  but  just
           recently over. That would've been in 1970, and we  stayed  there
           for two years in the Eastern part  of  Nigeria  in  Calabar  and
           Enugu. Enugu was the capital of Biafra at one time, and I saw  a
           lot of interesting things. I saw monkey pox for  instance  which
           was misdiagnosed as smallpox at the beginning, but  what  I  did
           not see in 1970 was  smallpox.  There  wasn't  any  in  1970  in
           Nigeria; and we looked very hard.  We  didn't  know  that  there
           wasn't any. Everybody assumed  that  it  was  mostly  gone,  but
           people wanted to be sure that it was really gone, so  we  looked
           very hard and we found monkey pox. We did some good  things,  it
           was combined with the measles control program and we did  a  lot
           of measles vaccination, saved I think a lot of children's  lives
           with measles vaccine.


           But I didn't see any smallpox which kind of nagged at me. So  we
           came back after a few years, 1972, went  back  to  Chicago  this
           time with the Immunization Program and  routines  went  on,  had
           children, things like that, like people do. Then heard about the
           opportunity to go to Bangladesh and so I threw my  name  in  the
           ring again for a temporary duty assignment to Bangladesh, and  I
           was selected. I think I was the first public health  adviser  to
           go to Bangladesh. Before that, I think it was all physicians who
           were there. Immediately following me was Jean Roy. I don't  know
           if you've interviewed him yet, but I'm sure  you  will,  if  you
           haven't. But he, I think was the second public health adviser in
           Bangladesh. So we flew over on the plane to New Delhi with  Mike
           Lane who, if you haven't interviewed, I'm sure you will, and  we
           stayed in New Delhi for a couple of days,  had  dinner  at  Bill
           Foege's house; and Mike Lane stayed in India. He was working  in
           India. I got on the plane to go to Dhaka and arrived sick  as  a
           dog in Dhaka, interviewed with  Nick  Ward  who  was  a  British
           epidemiologist who is very famous  in  smallpox  circles  and  I
           worked  with  him  again  in  WHO  in  Alexandria,  the  Eastern
           Mediterranean Regional Office a few years down the road. We were
           working on diarrhea and acute  respiratory  infections.  In  any
           case, Nick  Ward  was  there  in  Bangladesh.  Stan  Foster  was
           essentially - Nick and Stan; I'm not sure who was  on  top,  but
           Stan was certainly the American in charge although I think  Nick
           might have been overall in charge of the WHO project. The  other
           person of note was Stan Music who later on established  some  of
           the field epidemiology training programs at CDC; and Stan  Music
           gave me some medical advice which was basically, drink a lot  of
           water and get some sleep, it would feel better in  the  morning,
           here're some aspirin. Eventually I did feel better; a couple  of
           days later I was out in the field, and at that time we spent,  I
           think, 20 days in the field straight, and then five days back in
           Dhaka.


           So they just put me in a land rover, and off we went out  to  my
           station which was Faridpur. Nothing much to  recommend  Faridpur
           to anybody; by road, by land rover, it was about four hours from
           Dhaka. It was a long drive, not very far, but  it  took  a  long
           time to get there. Met the team, and I thought I knew what I was
           supposed to do. I'd been briefed. I knew what I was supposed  to
           do, I was supposed to find smallpox. You know, go out  with  the
           team and search and follow-up rumors and  vaccinate  around  the
           cases that we find. Do forward tracing, and  that  was  the  big
           thing that time. Not to look back to where it had come from  but
           to look forward as to where the disease might  have  gone.  Find
           the close contacts and see where they may have gone and then  go
           to that place and see if anything had happened there. It  didn't
           take long for me to see my first case of smallpox in Bangladesh.
           I think that first trip out, I saw my first  case  and  she  was
           dead. I remember the man - a woman about I don't know,  a  young
           woman 18, 19, something like that, and we said  we  heard  there
           were smallpox here and he said, "Yes," and I said,  "Is  anybody
           here with smallpox?" He  said,  "Yes  here."  He  pulls  back  a
           blanket and there is this corpse of this young woman  there  and
           it certainly looked like smallpox to me. Finally, I had seen  my
           first case. I was hoping it would not be a dead case  the  first
           one that I saw but there she was.


           That was the beginning; we saw many cases after that. Thankfully
           many of them were still alive. It became  clear  that  it's  not
           really easy to catch smallpox. You really have to be in the same
           house with somebody who has it. Close within the same  hut,  and
           sleeping in the same place, eating in the same place, living  in
           the same place, and then it's relatively easy to catch  it;  but
           outside of that kind of closed  environment,  we,  I  at  least,
           didn't see much transmission in market places or buses or things
           like that or casual contact. So I stayed there not  quite  three
           months, more than two  months,  less  than  three.  Others  were
           staying there from January 1974 to I think early March of  1974;
           then I came back to routine in Chicago. Going around to catholic
           schools and making sure everybody had their shots. That  was  my
           job. The way I got  into  it  was  a  fascination  with  working
           overseas, it just never left me; I've stayed in it  one  way  or
           another since  that  time,  and  the  public  health  aspect  is
           certainly rewarding. You see fewer bodies  when  you  left  than
           when you arrived, so that's one way of measuring success.

Interviewer2:          What was your  first  thought  when  you  arrived  in
      Bangladesh?

Peter Crippen:   Well, it is not really different from some things as I  had
           seen in Southeast Asia, but I guess my first thoughts were  that
           I was too sick to do anything. But I was glad that I  knew  Stan
           and so I felt things would probably be alright as long  as  Stan
           was around there giving me some advice. When I was back in Dakha
           out of the field, I stayed at Stan's house so it was kind of a -
           and of course he had his whole family there, had  all  his  kids
           and his wife so it was a nice  way  to  be  in  the  field  with
           essentially nothing, you know, and then to come back and be in a
           family atmosphere before you went out again.  I  was  trying  to
           think before coming, how - right  now  we  communicate  all  the
           time, people have Blackberries and  cell  phones;  and  I  can't
           remember that we communicated at all when we were in the  field.
           We were there, that's it, and nobody essentially knew  where  we
           were, and I don't remember getting instructions from anybody  or
           inquiries from anybody. We just did what we did; we kept records
           of things that we were suppose to keep  and  we  came  back  and
           during those five days, we shared  what  had  happened;  but  in
           between, there was nothing. There was no contact whatsoever that
           I can remember. Most of Bangladesh is water. Water with a little
           bit of ground in between and that's  the  why  the  people  make
           their living, is fishing and rice-But in any case, we would take
           the land rover to Faridpur town and then from there  we  usually
           go by speed boat some place, named or unnamed, and then get  out
           of the boat and walk. We would walk for hours to wherever it was
           you were going, to some small village where there was a rumor of
           something happening.

           So the boat was very important and the land rover less important
           and walking was extremely important because that  was  the  only
           way you got to know where you were  going.  But  I  remember  on
           time, we were in the boat and  our  driver  wasn't  the  best  I
           guess, a boat driver. Anyway he hit another  boat  and  we  all-
           myself and the team member that was with me anyway, fell out  of
           the boat from the crash. This is a Ganges, a  tributary  of  the
           Ganges. I lost my glasses and my wallet was  wet  and  all  that
           stuff; and the team member that was with me, he broke his arm. I
           didn't break anything but I lost my glasses.  I  had  sunglasses
           with me but that kind of thing, if it were to  happened  now  in
           some place, I mean, there would be  all  kinds  of  support  and
           running back and getting things repaired. There was  nothing,  I
           mean you'd just put on your sunglasses and keep on  going  until
           you are back in Dakha, where you can get  some  things  repaired
           and get something done. Now that I think about it,  it's  pretty
           amazing there weren't  more  injuries  than  there  were.  There
           weren't things happening that couldn't be retrieved, maybe there
           were, maybe you'll find out about them but I never  heard  about
           them and we just seemed to do it.

Interviewer2:          How old were you?

Peter Crippen:   Well that was 1972, no '74, I was born on 1942 so  what  is
           that, it's 34. Yeah-what's 42 from 74? Whatever that  is  that's
           how old I was. I wasn't a kid. My second son had just been  born
           in October or September of 1973. So he was less than six  months
           old when I went and  my  wife  was  not  thrilled  although  she
           understood, I mean, she had been with me in Nigeria and I  think
           she understood that, the call of the pox or  whatever,  I  don't
           know.

Interviewer1:    What would you say was the most frustrating  part  of  your
           job while you were there?

Peter Crippen:   My favorite what?

Interviewer1:          Most frustrating part.

Peter Crippen:    The  most  frustrating  part?  Ah  boy!  Part  of  it  was
           interference, there wasn't a lot of it but there were some.  The
           person in charge of that area under the British system is called
           a civil surgeon and he was a little unusual. Of course they were
           all Bengali, that was the ethnic group and  they  should've  all
           been Muslim because of the partition  in  1947  and  that's  why
           Bangladesh had been East  Pakistan,  and  then  in  1971  became
           Bangladesh. Well this is 1974 so it wasn't that long  that  they
           had been independent. They were still using the  British  system
           and the civil surgeon was a Hindu and everybody  I  worked  with
           was Muslim but he was a very high class kind  of  self-important
           person as some people tend to be, and there were of course goods
           that  came  in  to  support  the  program,  among   which   were
           motorcycles that came in to be  used  by  the  teams  for  going
           around searching and things. He sort of appropriated one for his
           son and I took it as part of my responsibility to disappropriate
           it, but it was clear that you can't offend this man  because  he
           controls everything. He controls the petrol I'd use in the  land
           rover. He controls all of the personnel that are on your team, I
           mean, you can't do anything without him so we just had a  little
           conversation and I just had to let him know that I was aware  of
           the fact that there should have been  20  and  there's  only  19
           motorcycles; you know, that his son just happens to have  a  new
           motorcycle. So this would be  embarrassing  if  it  became  well
           known and surely he understood that within a month or  so  after
           the newness had all worn off, we might be able to use his  son's
           motorcycle for what it  was  intended  for,  sort  of  a  veiled
           threat, if you  will,  of  embarrassment.  Nobody  likes  to  be
           embarrassed like that. So we got it  back  eventually  but  that
           kind of thing can be frustrating because you know - you can't be
           quite as upfront as you would like to be, or as  Americans  tend
           to be about some things, you have to work within the culture  as
           it stands and within the personalities  that  you're  confronted
           with, you know. I guess that not really frustrating,  it's  part
           of the job, it's what you learn how to do if  you  want  to  get
           things done.

Interviewer1:    So from between the time you left for  Bangladesh  and  the
           time you came back, how do you  think  that  you  changed  as  a
           person and as a public health worker?

Peter Crippen:   Well in terms of public health, I think I  learned  how  to
           get  along  in  another  environment.  I  had  been   in   other
           environments before but each new place you  go  to  teaches  you
           something specifically for Bangladesh, I'm not really  sure  but
           it  certainly  enforces,  or  reinforces  your  ability  to   be
           flexible, to take things as they come and  to  work  within  the
           constraints that you are given and to just try to  do  the  best
           you can with what you're given  and  keep  on  going.  So  those
           skills I think they are valuable wherever you happen to work. As
           a person, I'm not really sure how it changed  me.  I'm  sure  it
           must have and I guess I may be more resilient than I had been. I
           don't think I was any smarter but I think I knew how  to  bounce
           back better anywhere.

Interviewer2:          How many other assignments overseas did you have?

Peter Crippen:   Oh gee! A lot-in terms of temporary duties,  after  that  I
           was with yellow fever  in  Gambia  with  Tom  Monahaff[inaudible
           name0:19:36]  and others. I did something again with  Nick  Ward
           in Indonesia for WHO for looking at their  immunization  program
           in Indonesia and went both to Indonesia and to Bangkok  to  look
           at the - and then I was with WHO for six and  a  half  years  in
           Alexandria office which is now in Cairo, as I said for diarrheal
           disease and acute respiratory infections; and then I  went  from
           that office to Hanoi for HIV-AIDS and spent a year and a half in
           Hanoi. Then came back to CDC and went to the Western Pacific for
           three years. There were six  US  jurisdictions  in  the  Western
           Pacific: three countries and three  territories.  Came  back  to
           headquarters and there was a Global AIDS Program,  and  I  don't
           know how many countries in South  East  Asia  and  West  Africa,
           South Africa and Central America, Brazil, and now I'm  with  the
           Emerging Infections Program and with them I've been to China and
           to Kenya. So once you get the bug, you sort of keep it I  guess,
           and if you know of any other opportunities, I'm ready.

Interviewer2:          Any words of advice you'd like to give?

Peter Crippen:   I guess my only advice would be  that  CDC  needs  to  keep
           doing this sort of thing and needs to keep up its reputation  as
           a world leader in global health.  People around  the  world,  as
           you know, Dr. Sencer, I mean  you  came  to  -  when  I  was  in
           Alexandra, you came as a consultant to-was it Yemen or Qatar  or
           some place anyway because I don't remember why which country  it
           was-but they wanted somebody to come who could give them  advice
           about their public  health  system.  Well  that  sort  of  thing
           happens all the time; sometimes if it is high level advice  like
           that, or if it's very nitty-gritty: What do we do now? This is a
           disaster-and the world looks to CDC to be able to  provide  that
           kind of expertise and the only way  you  develop  that  kind  of
           expertise is by doing it, by continuing to do it and having your
           personnel used to performing the job in an odd place with little
           or no assistance.

Interviewer2:          Thank you Peter.

Peter Crippen:   You're very welcome.


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This is an interview with Dr. Christopher D'Amanda about his experiences in
the West African Smallpox Eradication Project. The interview is being
conducted at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta,
Georgia, on July 13, 2006. This is a part of the activities for the 40th
reunion of the West Africa Smallpox Eradication Project. The interviewer is
Victoria Harden.

Harden:     Dr. D'Amanda, you were born on July 14, Bastille Day, in 1934.
           I would like you to describe briefly your childhood, pre-college
           education, influential family and friends, if you would be so
           kind.
D'Amanda:   May I begin by saying I prefer, if it's all right with the
           project, to just call me Chris, or Christopher.
Harden:     That is fine.
D'Amanda:   Yes, July 14 was the day that my mother described as her day of
           liberation, so it wasn't only the Bastille that was taken care
           of. And that was in Rochester, New York. I was in school there,
           at a co-ed country day school, until the 7th grade, when my
           parents decided I should go to Exeter. So I went to Phillips
           Exeter Academy for 4 years. And then, in those years it was very
           easy-in fact, the Exeter senior classes were told this-that if
           you wanted to go to any college in the country, even if you were
           not in the top 75%, you could go to any college without applying
           to more than one. So Exeter seemed to be a precursor, in my
           mind, to Harvard. Then I went to Harvard for 4 years, where I
           majored in English.
Harden:     I'm fascinated by how somebody majoring in English literature
           then decided to go to medical school, so can you slow down and
           tell me here?
D'Amanda:   Well, the sequence really began in my father's family, where we
           would repair every Sunday for supper or luncheon cooked by his
           mother, and her 5 children, one of whom was my father. Her other
           son was a doctor. And her daughters had married doctors. So I
           grew up in a family of physicians, even though my father was a
           lawyer. And my older brother had already claimed, as the older
           (as I've learned later in my role as a family therapist), he'd
           already claimed law as his future. So I declared for medicine,
           following in some ways Papa's injunction that D'Amandas never
           worked for anybody. They were their own bosses. Little did I
           know that that was a little bit illusory. We all have bosses,
           one way or another, even in medicine. But anyway, we all have
           bosses.
Harden:     Indeed.
D'Amanda:   So as far as I was concerned, I was destined to be a physician.
           My choosing English, and all the humanities I could at Harvard,
           was in full recognition that once I got to medical school I'd
           have no time-or at least, I didn't know that I would have time-
           to read history, enjoy music.
                 I started playing the piano when I was at Harvard. I took
           6 courses every semester, even though we were only required to
           take 4, just because I wanted to get my fill of everything I
           could. And then, after that, after Harvard, I went to medical
           school at the State University of New York in Buffalo.
Harden:     And would you comment on any influential teachers at Harvard or
           in medical school that helped direct you towards thoughts of
           public health?
D'Amanda:   Well, we'll get to why I got here, but it was totally
           serendipitous, if you will, or fortuitous. Both of them were
           very positive moments, but not by design. When I first arrived
           at the medical school, my dean told me that I needed to work
           very differently at the University of Buffalo School of Medicine
           than I had at Harvard, in the sense that, it was very clear,
           looking at my transcript, that I could get As when I wanted to,
           but if I wasn't interested in a class, I would get a C. And he
           said, "Here, you have to do all the work we tell you to do
           because we want everybody to excel, and we want everybody to
           pass the medical boards." So a large part of their teaching was
           designed toward doing. The testing, anyway, was designed to
           replicate a large part of the medical boards which consisted of
           multiple-choice questions, which I've never enjoyed, and still
           don't. I prefer essays, and thinking a little bit, rather than
           having a thought done for me. In any event, that was the medical
           school experience. There were some wonderful professors there,
           particularly one in. in pathology,. Cornell Terplin [ph.].
                 Back at Harvard. Oh, I guess the tutor at Elliott House,
           where I lived, was a seminal person in my experience there, in
           retrospect, as he told me that Harvard was a molecular society.
           Now, I didn't quite know what that meant, but then he explained.
           Everybody at Harvard is, at least in those days and probably
           still (I just came from my 50th reunion there, a couple of
           months ago) is so busy doing their own world. They're like
           atoms, spinning in their own spaces, and they bump up against
           each other from time to time. But don't expect enduring
           friendships or things to grow out of the Harvard experience, was
           his way of defining it. And that wasn't particularly true for me
           because I did find friends there, but actually, in retrospect,
           the friends whom I still have are the friends that I made at
           Exeter, 3 or 4 years before I got to Harvard.
                 The experience for me at Harvard was probably, at least in
           my mind, better capsulated by the excitement, the intellectual
           stimulation, and the fact that I was taking a graduate course in
           my first year because I could do it. I mean, I was allowed to do
           it, put it that way. It was just endlessly enthralling. But it
           was also sufficiently intellectual that by the time I got to my
           senior year I knew damn well I had to leave because it just
           didn't seem like a real world to me. I had an instinct that
           there was something else besides Harvard out there, but there
           was no way to enjoy it at Harvard. I have always been the second
           child, the explorer, the traveler (which is also part of family
           therapy: tradition of birth order). Anyway, I left very gladly.
           I left Cambridge and I left Boston, and went back to upstate New
           York.
Harden:     When you finished medical school, in 1966, obviously the
           Vietnam War was going on, and the military always needs
           physicians. But you joined the Public Health Service and came to
           CDC. Now, you said it was a serendipitous experience. You want
           to walk me through this?
D'Amanda:   I stayed in Buffalo to do my internship in medicine, and then
           chose to do a full medical residency with 2 years, and then
           stayed on a third year as chief resident. And during those
           years, I had a hand in teaching and being aware of research
           activities, journal articles, and so on. I envisaged myself
           becoming a full-time academic researcher in some ivory tower
           someplace.
                 However, the draft still loomed. So I had a good friend
           who knew about the Centers for Disease Control, and I was
           interested in statistics as a way of sort of separating the
           wheat from the chaff in so much of the stuff that was being
           published in journals. Too much of it was anecdotal and not
           enough well-designed so that you could produce some kind of
           conclusion that might bear benefit in the practice of medicine.
           In any event, I came down to CDC to see if I could enroll in the
           EIS [Epidemic Intelligence Service] program.
                 But when I got here, I was older than most of the people
           who were being recruited, having finished not only my
           internship, but my residency. A lot of the other doctors, my
           peers in the program, had just finished an internship. Secondly,
           I was bilingual in French and... from earlier travels I'd done
           in Europe, and training I'd had as a schoolboy in Rochester. So
           somehow that word got to D.A. [Donald A. Henderson], and D.A.
           came over and basically hijacked me out of EIS, and put me in
           the smallpox program.
                 And I thought, what a wonderful opportunity. Here it is,
           I'm going to get to Africa, where I've never been, much as I had
           traveled before in other parts of the world. I was going to get
           to really perfect my French because it was clearly destined that
           I was going to a francophone country. And thirdly, I was not
           serving in the military, except in this wonderful sort of almost
           Gilbert and Sullivan way. My title was Lieutenant Commander, JG.
           But clearly I never had a uniform, never learned to salute. But
           because the Public Health Service had started with the Navy,
           taking care of the sailors who were getting sick on their early
           transatlantic voyages, the Public Health has always used naval
           military designations. So that was the serendipity. That was
           chance.
Harden:     So this is 1966, and you were taken out of the full EIS
           program, but they were training...
D'Amanda:   Oh, yeah, we still did the biostatistics course, we did all the
           other things. But then, one of the things that amazed me, we had
           a special program that went on for some time, learning how to
           take apart a Dodge truck and put it together again. Not part of
           the usual epidemiologic training, I'm sure. And I learned to do
           that. I'm not a mechanical genius, by any means, but in one of
           the letters I wrote at the time, I was describing that we all
           had to learn how to take the Ped-O-Jet apart and put that
           together. That was a piece of cake compared to a large motor
           vehicle. But it was stuff that I learned to do, and in fact was
           able to train people to do before my operations officer got to
           Ouagadougou in Africa. And it certainly helped me in when we had
           une panne, which means to have an accident, a breakdown.
Harden:     But you did have an operations officer supporting you? You
           didn't have to do both roles by yourself?
D'Amanda:   No. That was the design. It's one of the designs I'd hoped
           would follow me when I came back to work in America 4 years
           later: the balance between an administrative person and a
           physician, a medical person. But it doesn't work outside of this
           environment.
Harden:     Why is that?
D'Amanda:   I think it's because the administrators are too hungry. They
           don't want to share the glory. Put it this way: When I went to
           work in Philadelphia, after I'd come back here, I had talked to
           the director of the program that I was being hired into as the
           Chief Medical Officer for Drug and Alcohol Services in
           Philadelphia. And I described this. He had been a Peace Corps
           director. And he assured me that, yes, we would be a team, and
           so on and so forth. Well, that wasn't the way it worked out. He
           clearly wanted to be the major person, and it was a major
           administrative job, just like smallpox was. But there were
           clearly a lot of clinical, medical issues to be addressed, in
           terms of providing service. Philadelphia at that time was the
           4th largest city in the country. We had 14 different treatment
           programs; we had 10 methadone programs. I mean, addiction is a
           medical disability or a medical problem.
                 In any event, I made do by inventing things for myself.
           That's how I got to do a lot research for the people in
           Washington. But this model that exists here is very special. And
           I don't know whether you saw it at the NIH [National Institutes
           of Health], but it's a wonderful give-and-take because clearly
           the administrator has his or her areas of expertise and
           implementation and experience, just as a good doctor does.
Harden:     No, I did not see it at NIH, and that's why I have found it so
           interesting, the 2 working together . . .
D'Amanda:   None of us can know as much as we need to know. No single
           person.
Harden:     Yes.
D'Amanda:   But when you get into a complex project or major issues of
           administrative health programs...One of the things I did in
           Philadelphia was to start an Employee Assistance Program for the
           City of Philadelphia employees. I figured if we were taking care
           of the citizens of the city, we ought to try and figure out how
           to take care of our own because the statistics were clearly the
           same: 10%-15% of the people in any work force are involved,
           either actively or just recovering from, some form of addictive
           disorder. So anyway, I started this program.
                 I had the city administrator working with me, as well as
           the union person. Because city employees, of course, were all
           union, and it was very clear from the model that I'd learned
           employee assistance from, that if you didn't involve the union,
           they would never cooperate with administration, and vice versa.
           So I got to be the middle person as the doctor, saying, "Look.
           This man has just driven a truck of hundreds of thousands of
           dollars worth of equipment, nearly off a bridge"-which was one
           of the headlines that occurred at one point when I was doing
           this-because he was drunk. But he was also a member of the
           union. So if the administration had tried to fire him, the union
           would have put up a battle. And if the union tried to brush it
           under the carpet, the city would have said, this doesn't work.
                 So anyway, employee assistance was a beautiful way to give
           everybody a piece of the pie. And my job was, first of all, to
           train administrators to not be diagnosticians, just to pay
           attention to the job that needed to be done, and if somebody
           wasn't doing their job, they just had to report that, period.
           And then to get the union people to trust me enough to say that,
           even though I belong to administration, I'm not selling you out.
           I'm here to keep your voting member alive and well. So it
           worked, very well. The model is a tremendous model. It came out
           of the Cornell School of Labor and Management. A guy named
           Harrison Trice.
Harden:     Let's transport that back to Niger, now. Tell me how you
           conceptualized what you had to do and worked with your
           operations officer to do it.
D'Amanda:   Niger was a special project that we all shared, doing an
           assessment of neighboring countries. My countries were Ivory
           Coast and Upper Volta (now Burkina Faso). My home was in
           Ouagadougou, which is the capital of Burkina Faso.
Harden:     So perhaps we should start with Upper Volta and Ivory Coast?
           Okay. Sorry.
D'Amanda:   No problem. Well, one of the things I learned very quickly was,
           because I'm blue-eyed and white-skinned but happened to be
           bilingual, I was frequently taken to be a French person. And I
           learned very quickly that all the French carried a very
           significant and generally pejorative aura because they were the
           colonial powers. And they were still interfering with the local
           African people too much with their autonomy or their hoped for
           or desired autonomy in whatever francophone countries that I
           went to. So I learned very quickly to identify myself as an
           American, and of course that was very popular because Kennedy
           was President, and everybody loved Kennedy and loved the
           Americans.
                 The second thing I learned very quickly was I had access
           with my OOs [operations officers]-a brilliant guy named Bill
           White [William J. White, Jr.], in Upper Volta, and then Tom
           Leonard [Thomas A. Leonard], and then Bob Hogan [Robert C.
           Hogan]. They were just special, wonderful human beings, as well
           as highly skilled technical people.
                 I had to learn to be patient. Because even if I declared
           myself an American, it didn't mean that that would work all the
           time, and it didn't mean that it worked right away. So for the
           first year in Ouagadougou, I can remember still having to learn
           to wait for 3 hours to get to see the Minister of Health, whom I
           needed to see to discuss the program. And so I used to bring
           books and I used to read, and I used to get restless. But I also
           reminded myself that I was a guest; this was their country. They
           could treat me any way they wished. But after about a year of
           what I now think of as eating humble pie, so to speak, then I
           got to be able to get in ahead of people.
                 I used to say to the Ivorians, as well as to the Voltaic,
           "You know, I'm being paid by America, but I'm not working for
           America. I'm working for your country." And that was the way we
           felt. That's the way I felt. And it was important as I see the
           practice of medicine now, and certainly family therapy, you
           don't tell people what to do. You ask the questions, you learn
           the ways, and then help them make decisions. So it was not in
           any way dictatorial, "we know better than you."
                 The difficult part was, in some ways, working with the
           French, especially the man I worked with in Ouagadougou. There
           was a fair amount of disregard between the French and the
           Americans anyway, at least the French didn't like the Americans
           very much in those days. I'm not sure they're that much more
           comfortable with us now. But in any event, Colonel Sansarricq's
           first words to me were, "You know, D'Amanda, I don't know why
           you Americans think you can get rid of smallpox in 5 years. You
           know, we French have been here for 30 years, and this disease is
           not going to go away just because you came here."
                 But that was another lesson I learned. We can segue up to
           Niger at this point because I was involved with the actual
           campaign in Ivory Coast and Upper Volta, in terms of the up-
           front sort of dealing with the higher-ups in the health
           administration. I'm an internist, and trained, as we all were,
           to identify smallpox, to determine whether an illness really was
           smallpox or not. The longer we were there, smallpox was getting
           less and less common. I ended up seeing about a hundred people
           with smallpox in Upper Volta. But near the end of my stay, most
           of the time, people who did not know the distinguishing
           characteristics thought that a lot of the old, but most of the
           young, people who had these particular kinds of rashes had
           smallpox, when in fact they had chickenpox.
Harden:     People have talked to me a little bit about differential
           diagnosis, but nobody has actually gone into detail. Can you?
D'Amanda:   Sure. First of all, smallpox is what's called an exanthem. It
           affects the skin. Virus affects basically lining, or squamous,
           cells. Squamous cells are on our skin, but they also line all
           our insides. They line our gut, they get modified in various
           specific ways. But, for instance, one of the common problems
           with measles patients is that they get otitis media; they lose
           their hearing. One of the worst things that happens to children
           who have measles and are nursing is that the whole lining of
           their mouths and their intestinal tract get these lesions on
           them, so they can't swallow; they can't even nurse. They get
           chronic diarrhea. That's how so many of them die. Or they get
           bronchitis. Again, these same cells are being infected with the
           same virus. So the distinguishing characteristic to do the
           differential diagnosis is really on the skin.
                 And also time course of the illness. Each disease has what
           I call choreography, which is one of the words I use to define
           the withdrawal symptoms of various drugs that people take in the
           street. The time course, the process of smallpox, is 3 weeks
           long. And the lesions are in specific locations on the body.
Harden:     As opposed to chicken pox.
D'Amanda:   Chickenpox is sort of a flood of these same-looking lesions. On
           a black-skinned person, they're called taches blanches, white
           spots. Because as they erupt, they look like little blisters or
           pustules; but when they become scars, the black melanin hasn't
           gotten to that space; in fact, it's new tissue and it may never
           be replaced.  In fact, that's how we do the assessment: we look
           for the white spots, the taches blanches. But the white spots
           have to be in different locations, and the patients have to have
           been sick for a different period of time. So that was a
           differential diagnosis.
Harden:     Someone spoke about a different smell for smallpox. Does this
           mean anything to you?
D'Amanda:   Not one I remember. It may have been, but I used those measures
           that I just described for you. I did not use my nose.
Harden:     All right. You were going to talk a little more now about the
           Niger assessment. Would you?
D'Amanda:   Okay. Our primary job was to make sure that we vaccinated at
           least 94% of the people with smallpox vaccine. Smallpox, like
           all infectious diseases, has something called herd immunity,
           meaning that you don't have to really cover every individual
           with whatever vaccine or inoculation to get immunity for the
           population. The only reason smallpox was eradicable was because
           the virus only lived in human cells. So it was known from work
           done here, before we even got out to West Africa, that if we got
           90% of the population immunized, the virus couldn't survive. So
           our job was to first of all organize people in the various
           campements de marché [ph.], in whatever way we would bring them
           together to get them all inoculated with the Ped-O-Jet. And then
           going away and get the country done, within the 3-year period.
                 We thought we could do the same thing with measles but
           that was an error. We thought measles infected children who were
           5 or 6, when they first went to school. We did not understand
           that the epidemiology is a crowding phenomenon. And the crowding
           phenomenon in West Africa is going to marché. (market).
           Infants are carried on their mother's back. So as soon as they
           are born, they're introduced to the markets of whatever region
           they're in. And they get exposed. So in fact, the measles virus
           was transmitted very, very rapidly, and there was no way we
           could cycle in the 3-year time to get all the new children being
           born.
                 So measles became actually a sticking point because in
           some of the African countries, especially places like Ivory
           Coast, smallpox had virtually vanished before we even arrived.
           There were a few cases, but they were imported cases, usually
           from Upper Volta because so many of the men from Upper Volta had
           to come south to find work. There was very little employment in
           countries like Niger or Upper Volta, and they lived by
           subsistence farming. So they'd go south to get money. But they'd
           also bring disease with them.
Harden:     So some of the countries were not supportive, then [of the
           smallpox effort]?
D'Amanda:   Well, that had to do a large part with how they were beholden
           to the French, their agent technique [ph.] who were French. Some
           of them were upset that we weren't eradicating measles. We'd set
           out to do that. That was part of our title: Smallpox/Measles
           Eradication. We did it with smallpox, but we in no way did it
           with measles, and so they were disappointed. There were a few
           slings and arrows thrown at us, but we had to do a mea culpa, or
           effectively so, that we didn't understand that the crowding
           phenomenon [that we assumed] had occurred in this country at the
           age of 5 or 6 and which would have given our cycle of 3 years
           ample time to vaccinate everybody, simply didn't work in the
           developing world. And so we did the best we could.
Harden:     In the forward to your journal in Niger, you stated that after
           being in Africa for a while, "The stranger begins to long for
           the leisure that cannot be had here, and he knows, even as he
           does so, that he has become a devotee of the special non-leisure
           that is Africa." Would you comment on living in Africa?
D'Amanda:   Well, it has to begin with us. It has to begin with the
           enthusiasm and the excitement we felt. We've talked about it a
           couple of times already here, in this reunion. It was really a
           new adventure for all of us. It was a new program for the
           country. It had extraordinary benefit in the potential to think
           that we could be helping so many people in such a distant place
           live, survive. So we were all fired up. And some of us enjoyed
           the clique of the American, sort of ambassadorial, residence and
           everybody of that sort. But most of us had to be out in the
           field, and we got to know the countries we were in well.
                 I certainly got to know Upper Volta as well as anybody who
           was living in the capital because I was traveling all over the
           place. But in that process, you begin to realize that there's
           very little rest for these people. Subsistence farming is a
           cruel fate, and nature is there at every beck and call, either
           with too much water or not enough, either with seeds that can
           germinate or can't. There were very few animals in my area, so
           that there was no loss from predation. But it was just nature.
           And so people are always trying to take care of themselves, to
           get enough food just to survive. And then that's part of the
           traveling: people from Niger would travel through Upper Volta to
           go down to Ivory Coast, just to look for work.
                 And I became aware of this energy that was often physical,
           was certainly mental. And it's not to say that there weren't
           warm, wonderful family units. And the camp, the compounds that
           we visited and the ones that I got to know in Ouagadougou and
           would be invited into for evening tea, were special, warm,
           loving places. But the real world was much harsher.
                 That's what I was trying to get at: the fact that, in any
           developed country and certainly in America, we have the time to
           put punctuation marks. The time to take a break.  Read a book.
           Watch TV. Listen to a concert. But that can't happen there.
Harden:     The program obviously had a major impact on you and the rest of
           your life. Would you comment on this and on the idealism of the
           '60s?
D'Amanda:   Let me deal with the first question. I never thought of myself
           as belonging. In fact, one of my regrets was that I was so busy
           in medical school that I didn't get into the idealism of the
           '60s. I mean, much of the Vietnam War went by me like that
           because I was too busy focusing.
Harden:     But on the other hand, you could have just come back and gone
           into private practice and made lots of money, and ignored the
           rest of the world. This is the kind of thing I'm thinking.
D'Amanda:   Oh, okay.
Harden:     It sounds to me, from what I've read, that you were very much
           committed to these people, and that they grew on you a lot.
D'Amanda:   Yes, they did. And the exposure to them. The simplicity and the
           dignity and the integrity. And I've learned the same with the
           poor people I work with now, from the inner city of
           Philadelphia, many of whom have not had much education. Literacy
           was, I thought, the way to get ahead in life. I had no idea,
           until I went to Africa, that literacy had nothing to do with
           wisdom. We met lots of very wise men and women there who
           couldn't read, couldn't write. But they were wise in life. Did I
           come out of Harvard, thinking that was possible? Not at all. In
           any event, it was possible, and my goal of becoming an academic
           doctor in some ivory tower was totally blown.
                 One of the things that Sencer [David J. Sencer] asked us
           to do [to prepare for this interview] addresses that particular
           question. This was my number-one response: altered career plan
           and life: From academic medicine in an ivory tower, to addiction
           medicine in the trenches with citizens victimized by poverty,
           racism, and bigotry. Because that's what we've got here. We
           don't have subsistence farming, but we have people who are
           diminished in their value, and certainly in their ability to
           lead quality lives by a lot of "isms." And so, that's what, in
           the largest sense, those 3 years meant for me. Working with poor
           people, and, certainly in the northeast part of America, working
           with blacks, was not anything I had any experience with. We had
           had a black cook in the house I grew up in, and that was about
           my extent.
                 I had read about the Black Panthers, and I had read about
           the freedom movements of various groups, and the "Black is
           beautiful" concept that was being promoted in the '60s. I knew
           that Stokely Carmichael had taken refuge in, or been offered
           asylum (I'm not sure what the proper phrase should be) in
           Guinea, and was a guest of the president, Sékou Touré. So I had
           friends in the airlines business, a wonderful... Vert Comboree,
           an absolutely statuesque, brilliant, and very, very intelligent
           and wonderful woman. And I asked her if she knew anybody who
           knew Stokely. Oh, she said, "I do. Because I'm a friend of the
           president's." Vert was a friend of virtually every man of power,
           as far as I was concerned. And whether she was courtesan or not
           didn't make any difference. She was just a very special human
           being. So anyway, she set up an interview.
                 So I flew to Conakry and took a cab to the president's
           compound, a section of which he'd given over to Stokely. And I
           had a wonderful 3-hour talk with him. Strange, Caucasian-
           American, walking into this compound. . .I don't know whether he
           knew I was coming or not. I have no idea. In any event, one of
           the things he said, which was very, very special to me, was
           "Don't try and do things for black people in America." In other
           words, "Don't do a Teddy Roosevelt." He did use that phrase.
           Don't carry any big sticks on their behalf. He said (again, I'm
           having to paraphrase my own recollection, but basically, he
           said), "If you can open a door, that's fine. They may choose to
           go through it or not. But that's their business, not your
           business."
Harden:     Bill Cosby would tell them to walk through it.
D'Amanda:   Well, Bill Cosby's a newer generation.
Harden:     Right.
D'Amanda:   And one that has some legitimacy, I guess a lot, with the
           people who want to believe that they would or should. But a lot
           of people don't buy that.
Harden:     There must be a thousand stories that you have from your
           experiences over there. Is there anything that just impresses
           you that you'd like to get on the record here?
D'Amanda:   One of my difficulties, I guess, in the life I've led, is that
           I am enough in the moment so that even though I've got a
           reasonable mind, I tend to forget moments. The memories that I
           could share at this moment are the friendships and the
           excitement of being on the move. That's why I took that little
           caper in Nigeria, even though I was supposed to only be working
           in Niger. And I loved the excitement. What stories, what
           stories...
                 Part of being bilingual in Abidjan, which was a much more
           sophisticated city than Ouagadougou, meant that I got to know
           people at the university. One friend of mine and I used to give
           great parties. Dominique would know various restaurants that
           would be available, and we would know lots of people at the
           various embassies, and so we had these wonderful, sort of all-
           night dancing, drinking, fun parties, in Abidjan.
                 On the work side, I would say that the most important
           piece for me was something I've already alluded to, which was,
           you don't walk with a big stick. You listen, and you are
           patient. You observe, and you figure out where the hook is, to
           use a family therapy term-how to get in. Because you've got to
           work on somebody else's territory, as well as your own, to
           influence change. And change is why I went into family therapy.
                 I'll share a story to give you a perspective of part of
           what made Africa so useful for me, and part of why it was such a
           powerful experience. My first day in family therapy, there were
           12 of us in the class. The supervisor was going around, asking
           each one of us why we had come. When she got to me, I said,
           without even thinking, it was totally reflexive, "I want to be
           free." And I'd be damned if I knew what I meant.
                 Well, part of Africa was being free from here, my
           particular family of origin, the issues that my parents had,
           that my brother and I sort of united to be safe and separate
           from. There was a lot coming in, in family dynamics, that in
           quite significant ways, affected who I was, and I knew that.
           Just like I had the instinct that Harvard wasn't the real world.
           I didn't know what the hell it was, but I knew that I wasn't
           participating, and that's one of the things that Africa let me
           do. It's probably why I was so active.
                 I had another fleeting thought. . .There are wonderful
           raconteurs that I have listened to. One of my favorite delights
           listening to Bob Hogan, who unfortunately isn't here. He could
           tell stories beautifully. Part of the issue of being over there,
           especially in Abidjan, was to go to the Fourth of July
           ambassadorial celebrations. You just talked to people you don't
           know and wandered around talking. And at one of them, I got into
           conversation with this fellow, who wanted to know how many
           people I knew in the government. He dropped some names. Did I
           know them? Yes, I knew them because I'd had to work with them
           and discuss things. A long story short, he began to ask me
           whether I would be willing to record my conversations with these
           people. I said, "What would I do that for?" "Oh," he said,
           "Well, there are people in America who would be interested."
           Well, it didn't take me long to figure out that he was a CIA
           [Central Intelligence Agency] operative, and he was trying to
           recruit me. And I just sort of stood back after a couple of
           minutes of this conversation. He even got to the point of
           saying, "Well, we know what you're doing here in Abidjan, and we
           could make it uncomfortable for you." I said, "What the hell do
           you mean? I don't play cops and robbers."
                 And I was so fascinated by the way the system apparently
           works. I have heard this subsequently. There are people who
           collect data., conversations. And they reel them off into these
           recorders, and then somebody, somewhere, tries to fit them all
           together. I suppose that's a large part of what our "war on
           terrorism" was all about. Anyway, that was a story that made me
           understand, again, so powerfully, as so many other things in
           Africa did, that I just don't fit into any of those kinds of
           skullduggery cowboy stories. Cops and robbers is not my style.
Harden:     Before we stop, is there anything else about the program that
           you would like to talk about?
D'Amanda:   I guess I'd like to hope is that there are other programs like
           it in the future-where there's a mission that is humanitarian,
           requires scientific and administrative know-how, and can move
           ahead and get things accomplished. I've not been in the public
           health world, other than looking at addiction sometimes as a
           public health process and as a behavioral disorder. But I know
           there's a lot to do. And this country does have inordinate
           resources. I think we lack the will, too often. But this
           organization, 40 years ago, didn't. And I think that that's a
           tradition that could be remembered with benefit to everyone,
           including CDC.
Harden:     Thank you so much.
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              <text>&lt;pre&gt;&lt;strong&gt;
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This is an interview with Ilze Henderson on July 13, 2006, at the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, about her
involvement with the West African Smallpox Eradication Project. The
interview is being conducted as part of a reunion marking the 40th
anniversary of the launch of the program. The interviewer is Alicia Decker.


Decker:     What I thought would be an interesting way to begin is for you
           to just briefly describe your early life, some of the major
           factors or influences that affected you as you were growing up.
Henderson:  That's a question that's hard for me to answer. I was born in
           Riga, Latvia, and my life was very normal until age 7. Then the
           world fell apart. Now we call it genetic cleansing. It was
           Soviets shipping out people to Siberia. They just missed my
           family, so we had to flee to my grandparents, to the country.
           But that was the first time I realized that you can't depend on
           anyone. Then the war started. Finally, we fled to Germany and we
           stayed there, in southern Germany, until the war ended, and then
           spent 5 years in displaced persons camps.
                 We came to the United States. Immigrants are sponsored.
           Well, our sponsor had become a drug addict, and he was losing
           his own job. So we managed. Finally, my father got a job in
           Milledgeville State Hospital, the largest hospital in Georgia,
           if not anywhere else, and,despite being a surgeon, he became a
           psychiatrist.
                 Then I went to the University of Georgia, degree in
           pharmacy, and worked here in 1965, met Rafe Henderson [Ralph H.
           Henderson]. And he went off to Africa for a while and came back,
           and we got married in May of '66.
                 In October, we went off to Lagos, in Nigeria.
Decker:     Wow! So you were married in May 1966, and then in October 1966,
           you moved to Africa.
Henderson:  Yes, yes, we did.
Decker:     Wow!
Henderson:  And I started a journal.
Decker:     Oh, wow.
Henderson:  And I can't stop it, so I've been doing it ever since then.
Decker:     Forty years.
Henderson:  Yes. An interesting part is that we left Atlanta October 13,
           1966, and then we had the weekend off because the plane to Lagos
           left from New York. So we did this wonderful trip, well, Pan Am
           to Dakar, Roberts Field, stopping every few places, and we
           arrived on October 19 in Lagos. It was hot, humid, colorful,
           smelly, I'm saying. We got there at 2:00 pm, and we were very
           tired. The weather was hot.
                 We were provided with USAID [U.S. Agency for International
           Development] houses, which was like living in Florida, and we
           had a cook and a small boy and a gardener, a night watchman, and
           day watchman. So that's where it started.
Decker:     Wow! Did you write in your journal every day?
Henderson:  Yes. And this is 4 years on 1 page. Now I have 1 year on 1
           page.
Decker:     Wow! So, as newlyweds, what was the motivation for you and Rafe
           to pack up and to move to Lagos?
Henderson:  Well, he was an EIS [Epidemic Intelligence Service] Officer,
           and he came to Atlanta in July '65, and he did the usual EIS
           things. And then there were a couple of people, Mike Lane [J.
           Michael Lane] and Larry Altman [Lawrence K. Altman], who were
           already in West Africa, and I guess Larry was coming back. And
           they needed somebody else. So they said, "Do you want to go on
           this smallpox-measles thing?" And so Rafe did. He came back and
           married me.
Decker:     And when you got married, did you know that you were going to
           be going off to Africa, or was it a surprise?
Henderson:  Oh, yes. No, it wasn't a surprise..
Decker:     Was this your first time to Africa?
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     How much notice did you have between finding out that he wanted
           to go to Africa and your actually leaving? Did you have a lot of
           time to prepare mentally, physically, emotionally? Or was it a
           very quick transition?
Henderson:  At that age, you don't care about those things. You know,
           "Let's just go."
Decker:     Just do it.
Henderson:  Yeah.
Decker:     That's great.
Henderson:  I have a scrapbook in the meeting room where we got briefed.
           And we got French lessons, of course-we were going to Lagos,
           which is English-speaking. We got lists of things as to what we
           were supposed to take that's supposed to last us 3 years, as if
           we were going to the end of the world. Anything and everything.
           That was a summer of preparation.
Decker:     Okay. So it's just a few months.
Henderson:  Yes, July to October.
Decker:     So, then, what were some of the greatest challenges you faced
           upon arriving in Lagos?
Henderson:  The heat. Humidity. Not knowing where anything was; different
           money; the new languages being spoken around you.
                 Oh, and also, looking back, one flies a lot and one has
           colds in Lagos, and we had colds, and we had viruses, and we had
           diarrhea, and we had trots. In the 30, 40 years, I've only had 3
           bad attacks of diarrhea, whereas my husband had a lot more. And
           other people. I mean, in this group . . .
Decker:     Healthy bunch?
Henderson:  No, no. We had to take what we called Sunday-to-Sunday
           medicine, which is chloroquine every Sunday. One of our group
           said one of the side effects is going deaf, and Margaret Grigsby
           [Margaret E. Grigsby] did. Of course, now we don't take it
           anymore because it's not good. I mean, they said it developed
           resistance, so you had to take other things. It wasn't ever a
           normal life for me. We started the morning with salt pills,
           vitamins, and aspirin (because we rode around in trucks a lot
           and we got shook up).
                 The program covered 25 countries in West Africa, and
           everybody did not start work at the same time. There was a lot
           of travel for the regional office and people coming in and going
           out to the bush. So, we lived in Lagos, but it was mostly to
           regroup and wash up and then go out again.
                 What was real different with me was that we didn't have-we
           don't have-children, so if we had enough money, I could go with
           Rafe, and that was fantastic.
                 That s ort of subnormal life lasted until the end of April
           of '67, when Don Millar [J. Donald Millar] sent a cable saying,
           "You're supposed to be in Delhi with Dr.Lyle  Conrad and  Dr.
           Gordon Reid  to put out the smallpox epidemic in India,  like
           yesterday." (We called Conrad "Conree" because we combined the 2
           names.)
Decker:     So this was in May of 1967.
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     So you had been in Nigeria for less than a year. Right?
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     From October '66 through May '67. And then you went to New
           Delhi?
Henderson:  Yes, because, seemingly, India was out of smallpox vaccine, and
           theirs was the kind that you apply with a rotary lancet, which
           is really an instrument of torture. But D. A. Henderson [Donald
           A. Henderson] from Geneva had said that "we will give you all
           the vaccine you want, but you have to use the Ped-O-Jet." So he
           said, "We're going to send 3 people from CDC-Atlanta to
           vaccinate India."
                 Well, it turned out that that was the sort of
           demonstration project, vaccinating a whole lot of people like
           the police and the school kids. They were  all  already
           vaccinated, and that was what we did.
                 When they sent the vaccine, they forgot to include the
           diluent, and the first demonstration project too! Many of the
           public health people had been saying, "This is a test and it
           doesn't hurt." Well, the vaccinees were all cringing and
           grabbing their arms because the vaccine was reconstituted with
           water and not saline.
Decker:     Oh, because it was freeze-dried, and so you had to reconstitute
           it with saline.
Henderson:  So they had to make their own saline, and from then it went a
           little better. And it was pre-monsoon.  It was very hot and dry.
           .  Whereever we went, we were given tea or Orange Spot or Pop
           Cola or Pee Cola,  which tasted not so good, but, you know, it
           was liquid.  India  had thrown out Coca-Cola
.  So I think we survived that and came back to Atlanta for debriefing, and
that was one of those wonderful flights, like New Delhi, Tehran, Ankara,
Istanbul, Rome, New York. And we rushed from 1 plane to another and got
back to what was the Sheraton Emery back then. I think it was like a 33-
hour flight or something, so exciting.
Decker:     And when was this?
Henderson:  It was June 4, 1967. The next day, we had breakfast in the CDC
           cafeteria and lunch at CDC, and we slept a lot, and we're awake
           at 3:00 in the morning.
                 And the war in the Middle East was starting, and RFK
           [Robert Kennedy] was shot in L.A. And I guess we had a little
           vacation for some reason. Then, on June 23, Rafe went to Lagos,
           and I stayed here for some reason. And then, in July, I went
           back to Africa. And then the Biafran War started.
Decker:     So July 1967, you returned to Lagos.
Henderson:  Well, no, to Accra.
Decker:     To Accra first, and then Lagos?
Henderson:  No. I can't remember the date of the start of the Biafran War,
           but it looks like that was a time when dependents could not go
           back into Lagos because it was too dangerous. Although there was
           only 1 small plane that tried to bomb Lagos, and that didn't
           work too well.
                 So then Rafe was given or asked for a job to do
           assessments of the different programs in West Africa program. So
           I don't think I got back to Lagos. ..
                 This was really wonderful. This was sort of like camping
           out forever. But I didn't get back to Lagos for a long, long
           time, to the point where it was becoming financially difficult
           because we had to pay for my tickets, and Rafe was sort of at
           wit's end and saying, "I'm just going to quit because this can't
           go on." And then they said, "Well, do some more assessments,"
           and that worked out okay, and that was really a lot of fun in
           Niger and northern Nigeria and western Nigeria.
                 And the trucks breaking down. The Dodge trucks were
           guzzling gas and were not made  for the roads that were there.
           There was a trip from Niamey to Kaduna on which I think we broke
           like 5 things on the truck. Usually it was just washboard roads,
           you know, so you were really shook up all the time. But near
           Kaduna, there was a paved road or asphalt. But the truck was so
           bad that we couldn't hold it on the road, so we had to drive 2
           tires off the asphalt and 2 on. And by the time we got to
           Kaduna,, we drove up to Hogan's house  and they couldn't
           recognize us because we had red dust all over. Really fun.
Decker:     How exciting!
Henderson:  Yes. In western Nigeria, the assessment was during rainy
           season, so we got stuck coming and going. There's a picture
           downstairs where Rafe is crawling into the Dodge truck through
           the window. We went to a village-this famous survey where you
           pick out the village and you check people in  their houses  for
           vaccination scars. So there was this nice road, and then we got
           to what looked like a puddle, but it was big ruts, so we got
           stuck. And the villagers came and looked, and they said, "For 2
           pounds, we'll pull you out," and they did, and we were very
           thankful. We came back, and we got stuck again in the same
           place.
Decker:     Fifty pounds.
Henderson:  No, five.
Decker:     Oh, my.
Henderson:  And just some fantastic meetings of the emir of Yelwa, which is
           on the western part of the country. People were fighting over
           their land or their churches or whatever, like last year. But
           the emir back then, I guess he was 40, had been to Oxford, but
           he still wore his robes.
            In Yelwa, there were these fantastic markets, where all kinds
           of people gathered and we did market surveys. I helped a little
           bit, to look at arms. And the first group was usually the
           butchers because they were the first ones in the market. The
           meat was all raw, and ever since then, I really like it well
           done. And they were very accommodating. It was a cold  early
           morning, so the people wore many layers, and you had to stand
           there, and the aroma of the meat was overwhelming,  until  till
           they took  off  all the layers of clothing so we could see their
           arm with the vaccination scar. But other people then started
           coming. The busiest time, I guess, was between 11:00 and 2:00,
           when the sun is at the hottest. And most of the different groups
           didn't mind showing their arms. Except we met some ladies. Now
           we'd say they were dressed in leather miniskirts with cowry
           shells. I don't think they had spears, but they had some kind of
           a weapon. And, of course, they wouldn't, certainly, let us look
           at their children. And they didn't talk to us, and we knew not
           to ask if we could take their photo because they were really
           tough.
Decker:     Was this in Yelwa?
Henderson:  Yes, the Yelwa market.
Decker:     So you were really on the front lines with Rafe the whole time?
Henderson:  Yes, I guess partially because of the Biafran War.
Decker:     So you got to see everything that he got to see?
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     Instead of staying isolated in a compound somewhere.
Henderson:  With air-conditioning.
Decker:     How interesting. You're my kind of woman. I like that; I
           definitely like that. So, some of the challenges. . . Did you
           have to learn how to fix the Dodge trucks yourselves?
Henderson:  No. They did.
Decker:     They being the men?
Henderson:  Well, you finally had to rely on the driver because the driver
           was the most competent. I mean, some of the people who went,
           like Rafe, could kick the tire and look under the hood. Although
           once we broke down in a rubber plantation in Sierra Leone or
           Liberia. There was this feeling that we'd been losing brake
           fluid, and eventually the brakes didn't work. So what they
           discovered was that the Dodge was designed where the brake-fluid
           line was right next to the engine block, so of course when you
           shook on the washboard roads, it eventually would rub a hole in
           there. So, what do you do?
                 Well, we had a first-aid kit which had cotton, and we
           found some thin rope somewhere, and we said, "Well, that won't
           do. But, look, there's a rubber tree, with rubber." So they got
           some rubber and cotton, and then they wound the twine or the
           rope around the line, and it held for some time.
Decker:     So you bit off part of the rubber tree, chewed it off?
Henderson:  No. The rubber itself, because they tapped the rubber tree.
Decker:     Oh, and it's like syrup, it's sap.
Henderson:  It's like chewing gum, almost.
Decker:     That's right. That's a great story, that's a great story.
Henderson:  All true.
Decker:     So, when you went back in '67, back to Lagos finally, that's
           when you started traveling around the region?
Henderson:  No, it was before that. It was from the time after India, after
           Atlanta, and then we started traveling.
Decker:     Okay. And then, after the travels around the region, you came
           back to Lagos?
Henderson:  Yes. And it was nice to meet all the MOs [medical officers] and
           the OOs [operations officers] everywhere. There was something
           about Jay Friedman [Jay S. Friedman] bellowing for his driver
           named Benson  , who was supposed to come pick him up. The driver
           finally showed up and he said, "Well, my watch didn't work,"
           which was not  exactly right. . .
                 And in western Nigeria, I think we did part of the
           assessment iduring the war with Biafra, so there were roadblocks
           everywhere, every few miles, manned by the local police and
           usually drunk soldiers. And they didn't get along among
           themselves very well. And there was, of course, a curfew.
           Wherever you were going, you had to be there by 7 pm. So when
           you get stuck in mud on the road and you can't quite get out . .
           .
                 We had 1 very uncomfortable checkpoint stop where the
           police and army were arguing with each other. We had to take
           everything out of the truck, and they went through everything.
           And I think one probably wanted a little gift, and  they
           couldn't agree, until Rafe finally said, "This is an American
           Embassy vehicle, and I need your names because I have to make a
           report," so that sort of stopped them. And they thought a bit
           and they said, "Look, just go on."
Decker:     Oh, so you were in an embassy vehicle, or did you just make it
           up?
Henderson:  No. Well, I guess, you know, USAID is part of the government.
Decker:     That's true.
Henderson:  And the embassy is our thing in the country, so, yeah.
Decker:     Clever, very clever. So, what were some of the challenges of
           working with your local country counterparts? I mean, you talked
           about some of the physical challenges of living in Africa. What
           about the interpersonal relationships with the Nigerians?
Henderson:  The regional office was regional, so the Nigeria program was a
           country program.
Decker:     Oh, okay.
Henderson:  Dr. Foster [Stanley O. Foster] and Dottie [Dorothy Foster] were
           working with the Nigerians, so we really didn't interact with
           the Nigeria program.
Decker:     Oh, you didn't. Okay.
Henderson:  Well, at dinners and receptions. And I'm sure Rafe had some
           interaction, but that was a big program. Nigeria is a big
           country, so it was Dr. Foster who did it. Well, whenever we went
           to a country, we'd stay with either the MO or the OO. It was
           just wonderful: an exhausting day and a delicious dinner and
           fall in bed.
Decker:     So your husband was the regional epidemiologist? Is that
           correct?
Henderson:  He was Deputy Director of the regional office. And George
           Lythcott was the Director. And Don Millar was the counterpart
           here in Atlanta, and then D. A. Henderson in Geneva.
Decker:     Okay. Were you and your husband actually administering
           vaccinations yourselves, or were you supervising teams that were
           doing that?
Henderson:  I didn't. I took pictures and observed the ambiance.
Decker:     Have you written a book, published a book?
Henderson:  No. This "Any Year Diary" I am holding,  is my book.
Decker:     It sounds like you have amazing  memories.. . .
Henderson:  The OOs and the MOs were all epidemiologists. So when Rafe went
           to a country, he'd make a checklist as to whatever was going on
           and the problems, the accomplishments, the unsolvables, all
           that. And , we all  would volunteer , sometimes, to be
           vaccinated. I've been vaccinated so much. So that was my only
           involvement.
Decker:     Okay. Can you describe a typical day, or was every day
           different?
Henderson:  Every day is different.
Decker:     Every day is different. So you were always moving around?
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     So, then, was it difficult, I suppose, to form attachments with
           local friends?
Henderson:  Well, not in those years in West Africa because we were all
           friends. We were all like a big team. No, that was no problem.
           It was a unique experience and situation.
Decker:     What are some of the things that you or your husband would have
           done differently, looking back on the program today? I mean,
           obviously, it was a great success. But are there any elements
           that you would have changed if you could do it again?
Henderson:  Probably the orientation wasn't that realistic. But in any
           travel, they give you a sheet of things that are supposed to go
           on, I mean, and it doesn't really. And I don't think anyone can
           really know, unless they send someone to do exactly what you're
           going to do and they come back and they report. But their report
           sometimes is very different from what really goes on on the
           ground.
                 Back then there were no emails. Phones didn't work very
           well. I think if you'd called from Lagos to Cotonou-which is
           like, what? an hour away or so?-the call went from Lagos to
           London to Paris to Cotonou because the French had their system
           and the British had their system. And there were no satellite
           phones, of course. The mails were not reliable. So communication
           is always a problem. And when there's that breakdown, people in
           Atlanta had a different idea of what was going on in West
           Africa. And, of course, we thought the Atlanta people really
           didn't care much about us. That's putting it politely.
Decker:     Yeah.
Henderson:  And we had broken equipment. I mean, the trucks just weren't
           meant for West Africa. There were many times the Land Rover had
           to pull us out. Just to get spare parts . . . And there was a
           time we broke an axle-I mean, everybody was breaking axles, and
           it happens on a washboard road out in the middle of nowhere. And
           finally somebody comes by and pulls you into a town, and then
           you get a         cable from Atlanta saying, "Well, 3 months to
           get a new axle."
Decker:     And what do you do?
Henderson:  Well, you can raid another truck, that kind of thing.
                 And, when Atlanta  came to West Africa, but it was rather
           ceremonial. I mean, they came for, I guess, the ten-millionth
           vaccination and the twenty-fifth million.
Decker:     I read about the ceremony that they had,
Henderson:  That was very good.
Decker:     They had a big observance: they vaccinated a young girl.
Henderson:  Yes. I was there.
Decker:     Could you describe that day or the event?
Henderson:  Oh, it was fantastic! Other than hot. It was a little bit up
           from Accra, so maybe it was higher, so it wasn't so humid. But
           all the chiefs were coming in. Each chief was under a ceremonial
           umbrella, of course, just red and gold-I guess Ghana used to be
           called the Gold Coast. These umbrellas were like what we have on
           our patios. And, of course, the chiefs were preceeded by the
           bearer and the person who carried the paramount chief's insignia
           and all that, and then probably a praise singer. Finally they
           got seated, and somebody had to hold the chief's arms because
           they were so weighed down in gold. And then we all sort of filed
           by and shook hands. And that's when the visiting  cards were
           exchanged.
            And the drumming and the dancing! There was a group of women
           who pulled my husband into their midst and formed a sort of a
           circle, and I think they took turns dancing with him. I'd better
           not describe them, but they liked my husband.
Decker:     So it was a big event.
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     And the folks from Atlanta, like Dr. Sencer [David J. Sencer],
           flew in.
Henderson:  Millar, Dr. William  Stewart,  the Surgeon General of the
           United States, then.
Decker:     Oh, right.
Henderson:  And here are just wonderful pictures. [she is showingpictures]
Decker:     That's the Ogden book that you're showing me?
Henderson:  Yes, it is. It's the 10th anniversary.
Decker:     Okay. I just got done reading that book.
Henderson:  A letter from Billy Griggs is saying, "Sorry that you couldn't
           be with us," December 2, '87. And then James Mason, the CDC
           Director, was talking about the smallpox warriors in a special
           exhibit.
Decker:     Wow! Is this a letter that you would be willing to photocopy
           and give to the museum?
Henderson:  Sure.
Decker:     Okay.
Henderson:  And this mentions, in the first paragraph,  the people who
           came. And here is a picture of the 3 instruments for vaccinating-
           the rotary lancet, jet gun, and the bifurcated needle. And this
           is where they're learning to repair Dodge trucks.
Decker:     So your husband was in one of photos?
Henderson:  Right there. And Bill Foege [William H. Foege].
Decker:     So you're all just young-young, fresh, energetic. That's great.
           What an experience. How many years total were you in Nigeria and
           the region?
Henderson:  Three.
Decker:     Three. So you came back in . . .
Henderson:  July of '69.
Decker:     '69, okay. So I read that Nigeria was smallpox-free by May
           1970. So you came back before it was completely eradicated.
Henderson:  Yes, because things were slowing down.
Decker:     Okay. It was just that final little pocket in Nigeria.
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     Okay. So, at what point did you actually think or believe that
           the smallpox would be eradicated?
Henderson:  Day 1.
Decker:     Day 1! So you were an optimist from the get-go.
Henderson:  Well, I think everybody thought that, except for maybe Millar,
           and,  D.A. I don't know.
Decker:     Did you recognize the magnitude of what you were trying to
           accomplish at the time, or only years later?
Henderson:  Well, it's a horrible disease, and to see what it was doing to
           the villagers. There was  one  village that we went to, with
           either Jean Roy [Jeannel A. Roy] or Andy Agle, that had a
           smallpox epidemic. I don't know how many died. And the chief
           felt so responsible for it, felt that the smallpox was his
           fault, that he burned down his house. And he didn't have very
           much to start with.
                 And in India we saw hemorrhagic smallpox, which is just on
           the skin. It's like having very thin skin. All the capillaries
           are just about to burst. The hospital in Delhi had a special
           ward for the people. It's an awful, awful disease.
Decker:     Was there an understanding among the folks on the ground of how
           smallpox was transmitted?
Henderson:  Well, not in those words, no.
Decker:     What was the local understanding of the disease?
Henderson:  If you go to the village level, it's just something that comes
           every year or every so many years. That's just part of life.
Decker:     Was it attributed to a particular god or act or witchcraft? Is
           there a way that people explained the disease?
Henderson:  Well, we really never got into it too much because you had to
           have several interpreters. And by the time the answer came back,
           it probably is not what was said at the end of the line. So I
           don't know.
Decker:     That's the anthropological side of me probing you here.
Henderson:  Well, Nigeria, or the Yorubas - Lagos, in Aboekuta, , Ibadan,
           had a smallpox cult that had been going for several hundred
           years probably. And maybe the priests or the Fetisheurs had been
           using variolation  because they didn't get smallpox. So they
           could say, "Well, I'm the special person, and the chief of
           smallpox, but if you give me some gifts, maybe smallpox will not
           attack you. There are 2 kinds of smallpox; with one, your skin
           will break out; with the other, your mind is affected. So a
           little gift would help. And if it doesn't, then I'll just take
           care of you after you're dead. But I will need to be paid with
           your possessions." The British finally outlawed the cult, I
           guess, in 1905, but they had some outbreaks after that. Shapona
           is supposedly the smallpox god. The Fetisheur has a little sort
           of a shrine where he has the god, a special smallpox pot, and
           bottles of gin and vodka and things like that. I have a history
           of the Yorubas that I bought in a market.
            We all loved markets. Other than checking for vaccination
           coverage, I mean, they're just vibrant places and had wonderful
           stuff. There's the medicine and the Juju [phonetic] part of it,
           and all of the different things you can eat from these huge
           snails that must weigh 3 or 4 pounds, dried rats, and all the
           delicacies.
Decker:     Were you able to partake in eating all of the delicacies? Did
           you tend to live an American lifestyle in terms of diet, or did
           you jump into the culture with both feet?
Henderson:  Well, what is that thing that CDC travel book says, unless you
           cook it, peel it, or  -you know, the 3 things-you don't touch.
           And, well, it's not comfortable to have a lot of diarrhea
           attacks, so one sort of watched. But we also went to the
           restaurants. The dishes I cook with  ground nuts, too, they're
           just wonderful. Curries, West African curry, just different from
           Indian curry, somewhat. Brochettes of things, frog's legs,
           shrimp, barbeques. In northern Nigeria, they had too many
           peanuts, so the hogs were fed on peanuts, so that was a very
           good.
Decker:     You can tell it's close to lunchtime now. I'm talking about the
           food.
Henderson:  Well, yes, the food. And then, of course, there was English
           food, which wasn't so great. But the French, Lebanese, was just
           wonderful stuff. I was going to say that we should have tried
           more-well, we did, we did, but we didn't eat things off the
           street. I didn't think that was the best. And even then, I got
           diarrhea. My first diarrhea attack occurred in Accra, between
           the jet-gun demonstration in January and the 25th millionth
           vaccination. It was bad, and I took too many Lomotils, and I
           think I slept probably a whole day.
Decker:     Did you have major illnesses while you were there or just
           mostly routine diarrheas?
Henderson:  Diarrheas, colds, feeling, I guess Brits say, seedy, lousy.
                 I think my husband probably had typhoid fever between Lome
           and Niamey. Maybe that's why he left me somewhere, and he went
           off to Lagos. But, well, I guess it was Niamey where the Peace
           Corps doctor had this big book of tropical diseases. I went down
           to look in it to see what he could have because he'd been
           treating himself, thinking he had malaria and he didn't. So he'd
           be okay one  day, and the next day he would be just shaking.
           There was a nurse who said, "Well, I've met some typhoid people,
           and sometimes they just jump out the window, it's so bad." But,
           luckily, the Peace Corps doctor had Chloromycetin, so Rafe got a
           dose of that, and I think I got some, and he recovered.
                 Well, at that age, you don't think that health is that
           important. I think it's only after retirement, that that sort of
           hits people, things that should have been looked at before, like
           prostate cancer, colon cancer. I don't know if anyone had lung
           cancer in the group. But back then, we were invincible.
Decker:     During the time that you were actually in the field, were there
           moments that you had regrets or feelings such as, "What am I
           doing here? Why did we do this?"
Henderson:  No.
Decker:     No regrets. That's fabulous, that's fabulous.
                 So, it seems like such a silly follow-up question, but in
           what ways did this experience as part of the project for these 3
           years change your life?
Henderson:  We got sent to Geneva, Switzerland, to WHO [World Health
           Organization].
Decker:     Oh, okay.
Henderson:  So we got back here in '69. Then Rafe got 2 more degrees, an
           MPH and an MPP [Master of Public Policy] from the JFK School.
           And then he came back to Atlanta, and he was given several
           projects. One involved blood in labs, I think; I can't remember.
           There's some blood network. It's not the Red Cross. And then Dr.
           Sencer thought that we should get some taste for how Washington
           is run, so we spent the summer there. And then we came back and
           Rafe started supervising the Venereal Disease Division.
           Eventually, the name was changed to Sexually Transmitted
           Diseases, and the list of diseases enlarged from just 2-
           gonorrhea, syphilis-to all the others, ending with unwanted
           pregnancy. Guess one shouldn't talk about that. And that lasted
           from '72 to '77.
                 And in January of '77, Dr. Sencer said, "WHO needs an
           American to create the Expanded Program on Immunization for WHO,
           so do you want to go?" So Rafe said, "Oh, yes," and he spent the
           month of January in Geneva justifying why he was capable of
           doing it and why he would want to do it because WHO had many
           experts, over 50 or so, because they'd done everything and they
           knew everything, and then this young American comes.
Decker:     And Rafe was in his 30s, right?
Henderson:  Yes. And so, finally, they said, "Well, okay." I think D. A.
           Henderson was coming back, and that created the slot. And Rafe
           came back, I think, the end of January of-this is not the book;
           I have another book.
Decker:     You must have a line of books in your house.
Henderson:  I do, yes. I think I'll have a bonfire or something.
Decker:     No. You should donate them.
Henderson:  Yes, well.
Decker:     It depends on your secrets.
Henderson:  No. Most of them are in a code.
Decker:     Oh, that's good.
Henderson:  But it was a Saturday, and, Rafe was in Geneva. Back then CDC
           was smaller.              . Jane and Dave Sencer were really
           taking care of everybody and supervising and giving wonderful
           dinners.   Dr. Sencer came back from Washington. And this was
           after the swine flu problem. He'd been up there to brief Hale
           Champion, who was Undersecretary of Health and Human Services,
           Health, Education and Welfare, I guess. Dr. Sencer had been
           briefing him, and he was about to go out the door, and Hale
           Champion said, "By the way, you're fired."
Decker:     Wow!
Henderson:  So Dr. Sencer came back, and there we were all going to have a
           nice, joyful party, and that certainly put a damper on things.
           A few days later, Rafe came back, and CDC decided he could still
           go to Geneva, and they gave us a month to pack up and go, and we
           did. We went for 2 years, and the contract was renewable every 2
           years, so if WHO and CDC were happy with Rafe, and Rafe was
           happy, it was renewed. So we stayed for 23 years.
Decker:     Oh, my. Are you still there? No.
Henderson:  No. We came back October 1, 1999.
Decker:     Wow! What an exciting life!
Henderson:  And the interesting thing is that, after the smallpox program,
           there were all these - in the states and other places.  WHO
           turned out to be a place that had abbreviations for everything
           and they called  the  Expanded Program on Immunization EPI. ,
           The old smallpox people  were very valuable, so they were coming
           through EPI all the time. So smallpox and EPI sort of runs
           together to me, and I can't tell sometimes who's who.
Decker:     They view your experience in one, not into the next experience.
Henderson:  Well, the OOs and the MOs, that's what they did. They were
           valuable in running vaccination programs. So they had this
           expertise that WHO didn't have.
Decker:     So WHO needed them for their next thing?
Henderson:  And, well, Jean Roy is still running around doing that, and he
           works for the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, whose
           headquarters are in Geneva.
Decker:     I understand that you're trained as a pharmacist?
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     Do you practice as a pharmacist?
Henderson:  No. I retired in July of '66.
Decker:     Good for you!    Had you practiced before you retired?
Henderson:  Yes. I was a pharmacist at Emory University  Hospital pharmacy,
           and I should have worked about 4 more months so I would get full
           Social Security, but I didn't, so mine is half of what my
           husband is.
Decker:     Wow. Did you ever feel that because you were going where your
           husband was going, you missed out on your own career?
Henderson:  No, because the West Africa experience was so unique. Who wants
           to have a 9-to-5 job if you can do that?
Decker:     That's true.
Henderson:  And then coming back here for a few years was very nice. And
           then the EPI experience. I think I said before that I don't want
           to travel. I've had it. And I don't want to go camping. The only
           places I haven't been, I guess, are South America and China,
           Mongolia. We had a big network of friends; some of them, as I
           said, were from the Smallpox Program and some new ones.
            I went to so many meetings. And I wasn't welcomed everywhere at
           the meetings. Finally, we hit upon Rafe's introducing me as his
           personal assistant, instead of as his wife. There was no problem
           with that because there were other people who took people along
           who weren't exactly their wives. But, no, that was fantastic.
Decker:     Wow. So you were definitely a member of the team.
Henderson:  Yes, in a sense as being a personal assistant, taking
           photographs. Well, I'm also sort of a people watcher, and it's
           wonderful to see the people, what they say and what they do and
           how they perform.
Decker:     Did you have an opportunity to learn any local dialects?
Henderson:  No. We weren't there long enough.
Decker:     You were moving around too much. Well, you've done amazing
           things.
Henderson:  I wonder if I've forgotten something I wrote down but no,
           probably not.
Decker:     One of my last questions was actually going to be whether or
           not you would like to add anything that we haven't discussed?
Henderson:  I think the EPI experience is interesting.
Decker:     The EPI is the one in Switzerland?
Henderson:  No, global.
Decker:     Oh, the global, okay. You'll have to forgive me with the
           acronyms because I'm on the academic side over here with
           historians. But what incredible opportunities you've had.
                 Is there a particular story that you can conclude with, of
           like the greatest challenge or the toughest moment or the most
           exciting moment?
Henderson:  All of those!
Decker:     And it all happened on 1 day.
Henderson:  Just about.
Decker:     Were you able to stay in contact with your family back in the
           United States?
Henderson:  Yes. At first it was just postcards. I have them on the
           desk.downstairs. And then I took home leave every 2 years. I
           would visit everybody for 2 weeks, and then collapse,
           emotionally, psychologically, and physically. And airplane
           travel isn't that great. But then it used to be better.
                 But 1 thing I forgot: Rafe and I developed a hobby that we
           both participate in. The thing is that it's a hobby that you
           have to do together. It's bird watching. It started in Lagos. In
           Lagos, it would be dark and all of a sudden it would be sunny.
           And then in the evening, 6:00 sunset.
Decker:     Yes, the 12-hour days.
Henderson:  So we would be woken up to this bird outside our window-well,
           our windows were closed, but it was loud enough. And the bird
           was saying, "Quick, doctor, quick!" and it kept on and on and
           on. And Rafe said, "What in the world?" Well, it was a bird.
           Luckily, there was a little book that we found, The Birds of
           West Africa, I think, and it had that bird in it. It was a
           common bulbul, and it's the Omar Khayyam's  nightingale. It's a
           nondescript bird, and it's not like the European nightingale.
           And then we saw all these other birds out there in the garden,
           and sure enough, they were in the book. They were all colorful
           and loud and great. And from then on, we started birding, and
           now we do that.
                 We always had been members of the Georgia Ornithological
           Society. They have a spring meeting and a fall meeting and a
           winter meeting in different places in Georgia. So now that we're
           back here, we're going bird watching and we meet these
           unbelievable people who just know what's what and hear a sound,
           and they say, "No, that's not it. That's what that is."
Decker:     So you traveled the world and found .
Henderson:  Yes, but this is just in Georgia. In August, we're going to
           Jekyll, Tallahassee, Kennesaw, Columbus. We don't do all the
           canoeing and kayaking, and we're not that good, because each
           continent has different birds, but we're learning.
Decker:     What a fun hobby.
Henderson:  Yes. Oh, the thing is that if you see a bird and you say that's
           what it is, well, someone has to agree with you, so that's the
           hobby that we can do.
Decker:     And do you ever fight over it?
Henderson:  Yes.
Decker:     And who's right?
Henderson:  This spring, he was. He saw an orange-crowned warbler, and you
           can't see a crown and it's not orange, but that's what it was.
Decker:     That's great. So Africa comes back to you again. Well, thank
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Henderson:  Well, thank you.
Decker:     Thank you for your stories, thank you for your time. You're
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Henderson:  Yeah, on vacation.
Decker:     Yeah, well, that's great. So thank you for your time.
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